• misanthropy keeps people down
• misanthropy keeps people down
Posted by
keza
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2006-06-16 06:19 AM
I've just attended a discussion about global warming at a Melbourne meeting of the Science Issues cafe and it brought home to me (yet again) that the real issue in this debate is profoundly philosophical rather than "scientific". Although there are real scientific issues around the accuracy of climate models and the whole notion pf "consensus science" , the burning issue is to do with how we think about change, nature and the role of humanity in making its own history. The default position at this meeting was that altering the "natural order" is incredibly risky. This was seen in almost religious terms - as a sort of unchallengeable truth. The psychology underlying it reflects a real sense of powerlessness (and fearfulness) which does a very good job of keeping people in their place. Anyway as an antidote, here are two interesting book reviews and an article (from the Spiked website) Capitalism as if the world matters more than we do The Long Emergency James Howard Kunstler's new book depicts humans as parasites who might benefit from a mass die-off. Confronting the new misanthropy |
• Re: misanthropy keeps people down
Posted by
arthur
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2006-06-16 01:57 PM
An additional antidote would be to actually publish and give some prominence on the site to the October 1979 Outline on Technology and Progresswhich is now nearly 3 decades old and has been languishing in Anita's private folder for months.
It is really demoralizing to write stuff like that at the appropriate time and then have them buried by one's "comrades" so there *cannot* be any further discussion and development of them and I imagine it must also be demoralizing for Anita to prepare such material for wider publication on the web and still not see it actually made available for discussion. Please read that buried article carefully to understand why I still won't have time for more than "cryptic comments" at this particular web site once I have recovered sufficiently from my current demoralization and immediate crises to resume serious writing. Yes, we are in basic agreement that "misanthropy keeps people down". Why then is there such a blockage about publishing such material if not as a way to keep people down? _______________ Note: The 1979 article Outline on Technology and Progress has now been published as a forum posting - click here to go directly to it. It will also soon be made available as a published document on the site. (keza) |
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Posted by
anita
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2006-06-16 11:49 PM
the main reason these things have been languishing is because i have been awaiting the ok from the author to publish etc. I have now seen that there are numerous typos that i thought had been edited, i shall fix them when publishing on the site document archive. Maybe i imported the wrong draft! Whatever i shall fix them ASAP. Also any other comments? Let me know. As well, I have formatted the another paper in my folder 'Some thoughts on...' the former; will i publish that now or in a couple of days, once people have had a chance to digest it? what do people think?
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• Re: misanthropy keeps people down
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2006-06-17 07:09 AM
Anita: Thanks for publishing the article and subsequent exchange. It was originally published in the Red Eureka Movement's "Discussion Bulletin" (Number 8?) so any proof reading should be from that and no other approval is needed. I have previously explained to you that the additional reply "Some thoughts on “outline on technology and progress” and on the author’s reply to the first critique thereon." was not published at the time as it was not worth publishing without a further comment and it was not worth writing a further comment. Unless the author of that turns up and wants it published I see no point. That is presumably why you already added a note to that effect at the start. Just leave it unpublished. What would be useful rather than this sort of request for comment about nothing in particular would be some discussion of the difference in analysis between that article (claiming that people are looking for barriers to capital other than capital itself and blaming bourgeois ideology for undermining the orthodox marxist view) and the analysis presented by Spiked (blaming misanthropy and calling on the bourgeoisie to have more faith in itself and others to have more faith in it). Both positions are progressive and hostile to the reactionary opposition to technology and progress. But the difference in perspective ought to be worth developing. In general I'd like to see some development from ideas that were already clear more than a quarter of a century ago. This can only happen when people stop huddling in a corner talking to themselves and take on debate with other sites, in which case they will find a need for both old and new material and the enthusiasm to produce it. Neither cold pricklies nor warm fuzzies are any use as a substitute. Abstention from struggle keeps people down and makes them misanthropic. Its certainly making me feel like delivering only cold pricklies as long as it continues as I simply don't feel comradely to people who don't act like comrades in the sense of being engaged as fighters in a common struggle against common enemies. |
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