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 • Sedition

Posted by arthur at 2005-12-12 04:19 PM
We're so tame, we think this song isn't about us. Anti-Terrorism (2) Act 2005 (327K pdf document)

 The pseudos think it's about them. Actually its about encouraging Indonesia, Malaysia and other countries to fight local islamo-fascists by suppressing their front organizations as part of the "war on terror".

Quite possibly it may even be used to intimidate extremists in the local muslim community. Both aims should be fought vigorously as part of the bankrupt strategy of a "war on terror". Our strategy is to "drain the swamps" by supporting democratic revolution.

That does require violent suppression of the enemies of democratic revolution but this phony "war on terror" stuff only holds back democratic development by propping up the regimes that maintain the swamps.


 Islamo-fascists should be encouraged to speak out. Forcing them to be careful with their language only helps them and de-mobilizes the forces that should be fighting them - as well as making it more difficult to keep an eye on them.

I think it's highly unlikely that "sedition" charges will be actually be used against anyone in the near future. Their purpose is merely to intimidate. But detention without trial etc will be used.


When we were openly organizing support for the Vietnamese people in their armed struggle against US and Australian aggression we explicitly distinguished aid collections aimed at military victory over the aggressors from those aimed at providing "humanitarian" aid (and strongly emphasized the former while avoiding isolation by encouraging others to support the latter).


The government didn't dare use charges of Treason or Treachery so introduced a "Defence Force Protection Act" specifically targetting us, with a penalty of only 2 years gaol which could be imposed by a magistrate.

In fact that was never used.


Repression here took the more usual forms of police violence with related charges of assault, resisting arrest etc and -  far more effectively -  of expulsions of students from schools and universities, sacking from jobs, family pressures etc.

This didn't work and the anti-war movement ended up openly siding with the enemy at war with Australian troops. We won. We would have won quicker if they had used legislation like this against us. It precisely covers what we were doing but it wouldn't have stopped us doing it.

The most effective part of the Vietnam war movement was the organized opposition among the troops themselves. In Australia we were only able to contribute to demoralization by publicizing support for the enemy. In the US it went much further, with mutinies and "fragging" of officers leading to the actual "Collapse of the Armed Forces":http://www.chss.montclair.edu/english/furr/Vietnam/heinl.html


The pseudos can't follow our example because although their aim is defeat for the armed forces, as ours was, they don't actually support victory for the enemy, as we did.

The islamo-fascists can't do it either, because their aims are rejected by almost anyone that actually understands them.

There may well be a "campaign" against this legislation. If so, we should be part of it.
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 • Re: Sedition

Posted by Cyberman at 2007-06-09 05:43 PM

Sedition is a word we may hear more of it future. At the moment it's applied only to suspected combatants in the so-called 'War on Terror'. Its good to know that the ruling classes haven't written us off or forgotten about us, as the following report from the UK MOD shows:

Global Strategic Trends, 2007–2036
www.mod.uk/NR/rdonlyres/5CB29DC4-9B4A-4DFD-B363-3282BE255CE7/0/strat_trends_23jan07.pdf

The Ministry of Defence report warns:

" The middle classes could become a revolutionary class, taking the role envisaged for the proletariat by Marx. The globalisation of labour markets and reducing levels of national welfare provision and employment could reduce peoples’ attachment to particular states. The growing gap between themselves and a small number of highly visible super-rich individuals might fuel disillusion with meritocracy, while the growing urban under-classes are likely to pose an increasing threat to social order and stability, as the burden of acquired debt and the failure of pension provision begins to bite. Faced by these twin challenges, the world’s middle-classes might unite, using access to knowledge, resources and skills to shape transnational processes in their own interest. (p. 80) "


It looks like the author has at least some knowledge of Marx but a misunderstanding of what Marx meant by the proletariat. He's using the term "middle classes" , probably with people like teachers, doctors, and other educated professionals in mind, but there is no reason to regard them as anything other than part of the proletariat.

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