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• evolutionary theory
Posted by
kerrb
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2005-06-23 01:03 AM
It has been recently shown beyond reasonable doubt that both God given
and Darwinian theories of evolution are both suspect. Remarkable but
true.
Evidence has accumulated in support of a third theory of evolution. We need to take up the clarion call and build a movement in this country for the third theory to be given equal time in our schools. For more information click here.
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• 7 words you can't say in kindergarten
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2005-07-17 05:59 AM
http://william.torkington.com/movies/20050716-7words.mov
7 words you can't say in kindergarten this is a movie, you might need broadband, or patience, but the punch line is great
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• Brendan Nelson kissed
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2005-08-11 01:10 AM
It appears that Education Minister Brendan Nelson has been kissed by the Noodly Appendage of the Flying
Spaghetti Monster:
And the Noodly Appendage reached right across to the "other side" of politics, demonstrating the omnipresence of Him: Labor education spokeswoman Jenny Macklin said: "All young people should have an understanding of a range of religious beliefs."
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• Pastafarians
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2005-08-20 05:14 PM
Wikipedia is currently debating whether or not the flying spaghetti monster should be purged from their pages I note with alarm that SPAM (Spaghetti & Pulsar Activating Meatballs), has called for a Holy War against FSM Boingboing has issued a challenge to Kent Hovind: We are willing to pay any individual *$250,000 if they can produce empirical evidence which proves that Jesus is not the son of the Flying Spaghetti Monster.* Prize to be awarded with Intelligently Designed currency; void where prohibited by logic. For posting this I have been promised of a stripper factory and a beer volcano in Heaven.
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• Re: Pastafarians
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2005-09-02 06:19 PM
http://www.guardian.co.uk/life
excellent article on intelligent design by Richard Dawkins and Jerry Coyne in particular they comprehensively refute this proposition: "Why, then, would two lifelong educators and passionate advocates of the "both sides" style of teaching join with essentially all biologists in making an exception of the alleged controversy between creation and evolution? What is wrong with the apparently sweet reasonableness of "it is only fair to teach both sides"? "
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• take them on, don't shut them up
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2005-09-04 06:09 AM
The trouble is that around 40% of Americans don't believe in evolution. People want to believe that there is "something out there", "something more". Materialism threatens people until/unless they realise how liberating and beautiful it can be. Here's a great little article on that topic: Nothing but or anything but..... But to continue ....I worry about coming down too hard on the intelligent design (ID) movement - I think it needs to be defeated rather than suppressed. I read the article by Dawkins and Coine and I agree with them that it's wrong to present the conflict between ID and neo-darwinism as a scientific controversy. ID just doesn't meet the criteria for being a scientific theory. Its proponents mislead people by saying that the theory of evolution is "just a theory" but not going on to explain that there's a very big difference between the way scientists use the word "theory" and its commonsense usage. This equivocation between the two uses of the word "theory" enables them to argue that the theory of intelligent design should be given the same status as the theory of evolution. However there is clearly a debate which needs to happen - perhaps not in biology classes, but somewhere in the school curriculum. Currently science is seen as nerdy and uninteresting and often dehumanising. This gives pseudo-science, religion and mysticism many opportunities to take root. If the ID movement were to lead to a lively public debate about origin and subsequent development of life on earth I think this would be a good thing. Fundamentally, the intelligent design movement is appealing to people's initial revulsion to the idea that our existence is the result of a mindless, algorithmic process ( ie natural selection) - that we don't exist for a purpose, that there's no intrinisc "meaning of life" , that we haven't been endowed with anything special by a creator, that we don't have souls etc etc. Materialists need to engage with people's need to feel at home in the universe rather than be seen as just trying to suppress opposing ideas. Phillip Johnson who is one of the most prominent IDers (and a respectable academic) sees the battlelines very clearly: So the question is: "How to win?" That's when I began to develop what you now see full-fledged in the "wedge" strategy: "stick with the most important thing," the mechanism and the building up of information. Get the Bible and the Book of Genesis out of the debate because you do not want to raise the so-called Bible-science dichotomy. Phrase the argument in such a way that you can get it heard in the secular academy and in a way that tends to unify the religious dissenters. That means concentrating on, "Do you need a Creator to do the creating, or can nature do it on its own?" and refusing to get sidetracked onto other issues, which people are always trying to do.I think he's right in posing the question as "Do you need a Creator to do the creating, or can nature do it on its own?" and I don't think this question is directly taken up in high school biology classes at present. I just looked quickly at two biology texts and although they provide a detailed account of how natural selection operates they don't grapple with the issue of what it all means from a human perspective. One of the books actually cops out completely and says that the theory of evolution does not mean we have to reject the existence of "a supreme being"....it's up to the individual, a private matter etc etc... |
• Re: take them on, don't shut them up
Posted by
tomb
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2005-09-09 02:17 AM
I think there are a number of reasons why people choose to believe in
god. Some of these reasons have been explained above but I would like
to focus on another reason. Many people have found it convenient for
someone to tell them what is right and what is wrong and what to
do. They can then blame others for their problems etc. They can even
work the religious dogma to suit whatever it is they want to do. They
know what they are doing is morally wrong but can justify it if it is
for the greater glory (of god).
These people would almost always have been believers in a god. We still have many people hanging on to this fuedal notion. We also have a hangover from this dogma. While many people might have given up on god, they haven't given up on religion. They try to substitue god with leaders. They want people to tell them what to do. They don't want to take responsibility for themselves and they don't want to have to think about political philosophical oe economic questions. They demand that someone leads them. One might think that there are a number of dodgy "Leaders" going around, but how do they survive? Some of these people make very little sense at all but have followers. It is the fault of the followers not the leaders for the resultant actions that occur. Everyone must know the difference between good and bad and it has nothing to do with god. If there was a god then we could decide if it were a good or bad one and if we needed to overthrow it. We don't need anyone, particularly from primitive society to tell us what is right and what is wrong. The green movement is just as religious as the catholic church! (although the debates on doctrine within the church are more interesting and at a higher level than in the green movement). The general direction of development within Capitalism would appear to be away from the individual and towards teamwork. (teamwork is becoming a necessity). This is also true in science. But it's hard to develop effective teamwork with a band of followers! I am confident that as teamwork develops so will the ability fo people to think for themselves. Harry's Place as an example strikes me as a very religious site. A recent debate with a certain Arthur Dent degenerated into name calling and refusing to discuss ideas because of that persons political beliefs. These people have a religious belief in history and politics. They demand their own type of political correctness. These types of people are also demanding answers be given to them! They feel there must be an answer and someone should supply it. They obviously would have had a god previously and while that is not an option available to them now they are simply looking for a substitute. They won't take the resposibilty to look for the answers themselves and they don't accept the fact that we may never have the answer other than in specific and particular instances. We can debate whether there is a god or not, but for me what we are really debating is whether humanity is ready to take responsibility for itself and work together to move forward. In this sense god is irrelevant. Tom B. |