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 • we need marx

Posted by kerrb at 2005-01-22 04:07 PM

In response to Norm's challenge, Marcus has initiated a discussion of the Communist Manifesto at Harry's Place

We need Marx and Engels because they understood some things and said some things better than anyone else has since. It's important to read the original because people who call themselves marxists have always been in violent disagreement with what it means. If you don't read the original then you have no chance of working it our for yourself.


Communism has bad press following the failures of the Soviet Union, China, etc.  It's seen as a dull grey world, with no variety in the shops,  controlled by faceless, heartless apparatchiks – freedom of thought and expression is not allowed. At one time (the 1930s - WW1, The Great Depression, fascism in Spain destroyed faith in capitalism)  is was fashionable to be a communist or fellow traveller, but nowadays it is definitely not fashionable.

Personally, I draw these insights from the Manifesto, which help me understand the world today:

1) Capitalism is progressive relative to feudalism / religious fundamentalism

It's far better to live in our bourgeois democracy than to live under the rule of the fascist Saddam or the religious fundamentalism of the Taliban.

Marx was very clear about the historical progressiveness of capitalism, a point also made by Marcus with this quote:

The bourgeoisie, historically, has played a most revolutionary part. The bourgeoisie, wherever it has got the upper hand, has put an end to all feudal, patriarchal, idyllic relations. It has pitilessly torn asunder the motley feudal ties that bound man to his "natural superiors", and has left no other nexus between people than naked self-interest, than callous "cash payment". It has drowned out the most heavenly ecstasies of religious fervour, of chivalrous enthusiasm, of philistine sentimentalism, in the icy water of egotistical calculation. It has resolved personal worth into exchange value, and in place of the numberless indefeasible chartered freedoms, has set up that single, unconscionable freedom -- Free Trade.


2) The melting, dynamic vision of capitalism and progress 

 The bourgeoisie cannot exist without constantly revolutionising the instruments of production, and thereby the relations of production, and with them the whole relations of society. Conservation of the old modes of production in unaltered form, was, on the contrary, the first condition of existence for all earlier industrial classes. Constant revolutionising of production, uninterrupted disturbance of all social conditions, everlasting uncertainty and agitation distinguish the bourgeois epoch from all earlier ones. All fixed, fast-frozen relations, with their train of ancient and venerable prejudices and opinions, are swept away, all new-formed ones become antiquated before they can ossify. All that is solid melts into air, all that is holy is profaned, and man is at last compelled to face with sober senses his, real conditions of life, and his relations with his kind.
http://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1848/communist-manifesto/ch01.htm



We live in a world where things change, everything changes due to the continual development of productive forces and scientific progress. This provides the material basis for the elimination of poverty and a feeling of optimism and excitement about the future.

"All that is solid melts into air" is also the title of a great book about modernity and a modern interpretation of Marx and others, by Marshall Berman, which I would highly recommend.  Here's a quote from Berman:

To be modern is to live a life of paradox and contradiction. It is to be overpowered by the immense bureaucratic organizations that have the power to control and often to destroy all communities, values, lives; and yet to be undeterred in our determination to face these forces, to fight to change their world and make it our own. It is to be both revolutionary and conservative: alive to new possibilities for experience and adventure, frightened by the nihilistic depths to which so many modern adventures lead, longing to create and to hold on to something real even as everything melts. We might even say that to be fully modern is to be anti-modern: from Marx’s and Dostoevsky’s time to our own, it has been impossible to grasp and embrace the modern world’s potentialities without loathing and fighting against some of its most palpable realities. No wonder then that, as the great modernist and anti-modernist Keirkegaard said, the deepest modern seriousness must express itself through irony. Modern irony animates so many great works of art and thought over the past century; at the same time, it infuses millions of ordinary people’s lives. This book aims to bring these works and these lives together, to restore the spiritual wealth of modernist culture to the modern man and woman in the street, to show how, for all of us, modernism is realism. (13-14)

3) Productive forces are held back by capitalist productive relations

After praising capitalism for developing the productive, Marx and Engels then tear it down because the property relations of capitalism periodically (boom and bust) produces slow down and crisis:

The productive forces at the disposal of society no longer tend to further the development of the conditions of bourgeois property; on the contrary, they have become too powerful for these conditions, by which they are fettered, and so soon as they overcome these fetters, they bring disorder into the whole of bourgeois society, endanger the existence of bourgeois property. The conditions of bourgeois society are too narrow to comprise the wealth created by them.

The dominant productive relations today in western society are boss / worker.  No thinking person much likes working for a boss but it's what we have to do to survive.

The point about boss / worker relations is that they are anachronistic, they hold back the further rapid development of the productive forces.  Workers hold back and do not work at their full capacity, initiative and creativity. In a society where the workplace nexus between people (is) naked self-interest (and) callous "cash payment" it makes no sense to give it your best shot.

The real communist critique of capitalism is that capitalism social relations – boss / worker relations – holds back the rapid development of productive forces.

For example,  the dominance of Microsoft holds back the rapid development of either superior or potentially superior software development such as the Linux operating system, which has been developed out of a gift culture. We seem to have very significant groups of open source software developers today who practise communist principles – from each according to his ability, to each according to his needs – without even realising or connecting to the source.

This surfaced in a recent exchange between Bill Gates and his open source critics after Gates said:

There are some new modern-day sort of communists who want to get rid of the incentive for musicians and moviemakers and software makers under various guises.


This led to a flurry of design activity in the open source / creative commons community, who renamed themselves "creative commonists" and developed a series of red flags and logos in response to the gibe:



One Gates critic has even adapted the words of The Internationale as an anthem for the freedom of information movement:

The Free Culture Internationale

Lyrics by Andrew Mike (2005)

To the tune of "The Internationale" by Pierre Degaytre, 1888

Arise, you independent artists!
Arise, fair users great and small!
Those evil cartels and their jurists
Have, through their exploits, chained you all!

But we have thought up a new system,
To make it fairer through and through;
Right now, they say, "We'll never miss them,"
But one day soon, they'll say "We do!"

So Bill Gates calls us commies,
But he can't stand the sight
Of information freedom,
Reform of copyright!

So we go on creating,
Joyous and full of mirth,
For our great newborn copyleft
Shall shine upon the earth!


The spirit of communism as envisaged by Marx is alive and well in the open source community but perhaps because communism has such a bad name and Marx is little read by software developers they have not made the connection.

4) Atheism, materialism, facing reality abandoning the hopeful, sentimental approach

The Communist revolution is the most radical rupture with traditional relations; no wonder that its development involved the most radical rupture with traditional ideas.
Before capitalism the rulers of society were religious rulers. 

With the development of science our Universe became a far more interesting and beautiful place than anything envisioned by religion.

Atheism is strong in the Manifesto through its exposure of religious hypocrisy, as the transition was made into a society dominated by money. The Manifesto is an invitation to think for ourselves and to reject the artificial soothings of religion.

Once again the most articulate expousers of these sorts of views comes from people like Richard Dawkins, who don't personally identify with communism but who nevertheless show the relevance of the views expressed by Marx in 1848.

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 • All that is solid melts into air

Posted by keza at 2005-01-22 11:14 PM

I just read Marcus' piece  at Harry's Place and feel I have  to take issue with what he refers to as "Marx’s bizarre ideas about the family".   

 

As far as I can see, the  beautiful maxim "All that is solid melts into air"  applies to the family just as much as to everything else. 

 

Quoting Marcus's comments about the family in full:

 

"On what foundation is the present family, the bourgeois family, based?"  *he   asks:

 

"On capital, on private gain. In its completely developed form, this family exists only among the bourgeoisie. But this state of things finds its complement in the practical absence of the family among proletarians, and in public prostitution."

 

The Industrial Revolution was initially very hard on many working class families. 16 hour shifts, non existent job security, and the exploitation of child labour were hardly conducive to family life. But I think Marx got it wrong about the family “withering away”. It’s possible to argue in fact that the family is one of the few human institutions which has survived the various arrangements of human society “above” the family. Antiquity, Feudalism, Capitalism, Actually Existing Socialism - each had different attitudes to the family but in each social system the family managed to survive. Sometimes it prospered, sometimes it seemed to be unravelling but it never actually got replaced by anything that socialised the next generation in quite such an efficient way.

 

Equally confused, I think, were *Marx’s  thoughts on marriage:

 

"Bourgeois marriage is, in reality, a system of wives in common and thus, at the most, what the Communists might possibly be reproached with is that they desire to introduce, in substitution for a hypocritically concealed, an openly legalized system of free love. For the rest, it is self-evident that the abolition of the present system of production must bring with it the abolition of free love springing from that system, i.e., of prostitution both public and private."

 

No doubt *Marx could point out dozens of examples of sexual hypocrisy in the contemporary bourgeois marriage but I wonder if the following passage owes more to experience than to sober sociological analysis:

 

"Our bourgeois, not content with having wives and daughters of their proletarians at their disposal, not to speak of common prostitutes, take the greatest pleasure in seducing each other's wives." (Ah, those were the days!)

 

The twin institutions of family and marriage - while not a happy experience for everyone and not without their own structural problems - have survived far better than the youthful *Marx might have imagined. Calls for their destruction are heard pretty infrequently these days. The family is periodically “attacked” or “assisted” (depending on your worldview) by institutions of the State, but both made it into the Twenty First Century looking less moth eaten than this section of the Communist Manifesto. I expect both will also outlive the next stage of human development, whatever form it takes.

by Marcus  (Harry's Place)

 

My comments:

 

Marx and Engels (M&E) distinguished between bourgeois and proletarian marriages saying that bourgeois marriage is founded on"capital, on private gain" (the need for men to establish their paternity). In contrast however, "the proletarian is without property"his relation to his wife and children has no longer anything in common with the bourgeois family relations"

 

In this I think they were essentially correct. I disagree with Marcus that "the family" seems to have a sort of intrinsic utility that has allowed it to survive. As far as I can see, like everything else, 'the family' is in a constant state of flux due to the sweeping away of "all fixed, fast-frozen relations, with their train of ancient and venerable prejudices and opinions" .

 

I'm not sure of the figures, but we all know that nowadays "the family" can take many forms other than the 'standard one' of two parents and their biological kids...we know also  that divorce is relatively easy, that people get married later, that defacto relationships are common and acceptable, that the State provides an income for single mothers, that being born out of wedlock is no longer a social disgrace...and so on. What's also true is that people want more  (much more!) from their relationships. Serial monogomy is fast becoming the norm with various forms of "open marriage" being attempted by a small minority.  (Capitalism is a system that  taunts us with possibilities)

 

I think Engels was correct when he pointed out that "the foundations of typical monogomy ... exist only for the possessing class" ( not to be confusd with today's "middle class" - or more correctly 'upper working class"  -   the  possession of vast numbers of consumer items and small amounts of property does not catapult a person who works for a living into "the possessing class" ;). The conditions of life for the working people in capitalist society lead to fluid relationships between men and women and between children and adults. 

 

 

"Sex-love in the relationship with a woman becomes, and can only become, the real rule among the oppressed classes, which means today among the proletariat-whether this relation is officially sanctioned or not. But here all the foundations of typical monogamy are cleared away. Here there is no property, for the preservation and inheritance of which monogamy and male supremacy were established; hence there is no incentive to make this male supremacy effective. What is more, there are no means of making it so. Bourgeois law, which protects this supremacy, exists only for the possessing class and their dealings with the proletarians. The law costs money and, on account of the worker’s poverty, it has no validity for his relation to his wife. Here quite other personal and social conditions decide. And now that large-scale industry has taken the wife out of the home onto the labor market and into the factory, and made her often the bread-winner of the family, no basis for any kind of male supremacy is left in the proletarian household – except, perhaps, for something of the brutality towards women that has spread since the introduction of monogamy. The proletarian family is therefore no longer monogamous in the strict sense, even where there is passionate love and firmest loyalty on both sides, and maybe all the blessings of religious and civil authority. Here, therefore, the eternal attendants of monogamy, hetaerism and adultery, play only an almost vanishing part. The wife has in fact regained the right to dissolve the marriage, and if two people cannot get on with one another, they prefer to separate. In short, proletarian marriage is monogamous in the etymological sense of the word, but not at all in its historical sense."  (Engels,  Origins of The Family, Private Property ad the  State ;)

 

It's true that human children will always need to be raised in a way that provides them with the opportunity to form loving attachments with a smallish group of adult human beings. But there are many ways of achieving this.   If this is all that Marcus means when he says that the family will 'survive' then I don't have any real argument with him. (And neither would M&E, I don't think.)  But  a 'family' which consisted of a group of adults formed solely for the purpose of jointly raining one or more children is certainly not the family that Marx and Engels were discussing.  At this point the meaning of the word "family" would have changed and I'd be inclined to say that the original bourgois  family had dissolved.. melted into air -  and been replaced with something qualitatively different. Certainly its overriding  purpose  would be different.  Such a "family" is already a conceivable  result  of developments in reproductive technology.  I think it's only a matter of time before we become capable of sustaining full term "pregnancies" ouside the human body.  Now that  technological development will have a huge social impact!

 

Moving on to a slightly different point .... what about the post-capitalist "family"? It's quite difficult to imagine ourselves living in some future society in which the economic and emotional insecurities engendered by capitalism were absent. Relationships under capitalism, whatever form they happen to take, still exist under a cloud of psychological, economic and social anxiety. Our imaginations are constrained by our experiences of this so it's a  real struggle to envisage how we would live if this cloud was lifted. Would today's soap operas still be comprehensible? 

 

Years ago I read  Woman on the Edge of Time ( Marge Piercy) and The Dispossessed (Ursula Le Guin)  both of which were good imagination  joggers.  I'm not sure how these two books have stood the test of time  - I remember preferring The Dispossessed to Woman on the Edge ...  because the society depicted in the former novel was less of a utopia . Anyway... I think it's important that we start thinking about (and discussing) the future.  Defending capitalism against the 'forces of darkness' (and the pseudo left) is one task  - but it's time we also showed some independence and initiative within the united front... 

 

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* The CM was written jointly by Karl Marx and  Frederick  Engels.  I think history has been very unfair to  Frederick, he deserves  a lot more acknowledgement.  

keza 

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 • Re: we need marx

Posted by kerrb at 2005-01-24 03:17 AM

I've posted the following comment at Harry's Place -  go here to read the full thread

Some of the posts here show that a common misconception is that Marxism is some sort of formula, rather than a flexible bunch of analytical tools / ways of thinking about the world

Marx and Engels spoke about how their contemporary Darwin used their philosophical method and Marx sent Darwin a copy of Capital, which remained unopened

The key tool here would be historical and dialectical materialism - this tends to be reinvented, for example, a lot of scientists use both a materialist world view and also dialectics crops up all over the place as an analytical tool - it seems to be written into nature in a fundamental way

But Marxism focuses on politics and economics rather than science, technology, philosophy or psychology - although the latter group can get by without it I don't see how the former group can

I would argue for example that the great commentaries that Christopher Hitchens regularly comes up with are due in part to his Marxist training, the fact that he really does get it.

Marxism is successful and alive and well at that level even though the efforts to build it in one country have not succeeded - it's best to view it as an infant - I'd argue that those who actually read and think about the Manifesto have a much better chance of understanding todays world than those who don't.
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